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@andrewilley Tried all of them, no luck

@maxmp It's just weird that this issue persists even after a full reinstall. It works no problem for every other app (that isn't known for blocking recording). I guess I'll just use another player when casting. Thanks anyway! Airmusic works for me but there's a weird issue where the phone's volume needs to be above 0 BEFORE connecting in order for it to produce sound, otherwise it will remain muted even if you increase the volume after connecting.

@maxmp Unfortunately, uninstalling all Poweramp-related apps, rebooting, and fully reinstalling only Poweramp did not resolve this.

Do you mean that it's already supposed to work in the current version?

Android 10 added a new feature which allows to capture the device's internal audio, provided the app producing this audio allows it. Currently, PA does not allow internal audio capture. What I'm mostly after is this: There is a neat app called AirMusic which can cast your internal audio via many different protocols such as airplay and upnp/dlna. Rather than implementing all of these in PA it would be far easier to just allow its audio to be captured (this should be fairly simple to do). This could be an option somewhere in the advanced audio settings.

@maxmp I feel like I'm missing something. In PA I can select all songs in my library and queue them. I don't have 10k songs, but I assume this option would still be there if I did. Or am I wrong? I don't really see how queuing 10k songs could cause performance issues on any modern device. @andrewilley For me it's less about getting away from category-based playback and more about having an editable list of all upcoming tracks, but also being able to play with a single click.

@andrewilley Why not just queue everything in the list that is being viewed? I can't think of anything else that would make sense and other players do this as well. If you wanted to listen to only a chunk of the list, you'd just multi-select and queue via the menu.

@andrewilley Yes I know, I just added this because you mentioned that in the queue only mode all tracks would get enqueued when clicking on them. Should probably be an option for both if it does get implemented.

@andrewilley Yes, no doubt that would be more work. Although I would already be happy if there was a setting to make playback more similar to Spotify and other popular players (nothing fancy like merging the queue and categories into one unified way of playing music). The "queue only mode" + pressing a track to play it immediately, if I understand it correctly, would basically be it. That, and the back button issue.

@andrewilley >To reiterate what I said earlier, the Queue in Poweramp is just a list of song files Yes it is a list of songs.. where each song belongs to a particular album, or artist, or genre. The category is still there and it could be used for additional shuffling, repeating, sorting and whatnot. Of course what I'm describing would need to be added to the app first so yes, right now, this additional information is unused and you could say it's just a list of song files. But it doesn't have to be. In terms of the code, there's nothing that would make this fundamentally impossible. >Even if some or all of the songs happen to have been added from one particular album or folder, there is no guarantee of that - nor of whether they have stayed that way. This doesn't matter. The player still knows the category. The category would be determined by what you chose in the library view, like it already does now. >So what should 'Repeat Category', or 'Shuffle Category', do with this list? This will depend on your chosen category. If you started in Album view (i.e you chose the album category), then "Repeat Category" could repeat all queued tracks from that album. For instance, if you're currently playing "Faster Than the Speed of Night" and you activate category repeat, it would play Faster than the speed of night Holding out for a hero Repeat 1. (Assuming there's nothing else in the queue) This is because you used album category and these two tracks are the only ones from the album "Greatest Hits" by Bonnie Tyler in your list. Similarly, "Shuffle Category" could shuffle these two tracks. This would keep the current behavior if you don't have any manually queued items. That is, if you play "Faster than the speed of night" from the album view, all tracks from that album would be added to the list, and then repeating, shuffling and advancing category would obviously behave the same as it already does now. However, if you do queue an item manually then repeat category would be slightly different: Whereas PA right now will just play until it exits the manually queued items list and then continue with the category & repeat it, this would repeat even the manually queued items (according to their category). If you don't want that, you just activate "repeat category" once you're at the album you want to repeat. Or, you know, this could be implemented differently to skip manually queued items like it already does. The bottom line is that you have all the information necessary in order to make these buttons work. The only question is, what is the most reasonable thing they could do for rearranged lists?

@samuelawachie Yes, looking at Spotify now I realize that only the section with the manually queued items is called the queue. I admit this may have confused people, sorry for that. I am referring to the list of all upcoming tracks. So the queue plus everything in "Next From". The distinction doesn't actually matter that much in Spotify because you can freely rearrange everything in that view anyways. My point still stands, I think you can implement this while keeping the category shuffle, repeat and advance functionalities.

@samuelawachie It does not, but we're talking about different things. Play an album in Spotify, all of its tracks get added to the queue. To be clear, I'm calling everything that I see in the queue view "the queue". So when you click on the list button in the bottom left, you see everything. If you play an album in PA and then go to Library > Queue, there's nothing because you haven't queued anything manually.

@andrewilley A track is still in the same folder even if you use a queue. It is still made by the same artist and it's still within the same album and genre. The categories are still there no matter how much you move the tracks in the queue. Therefore you can still shuffle and repeat based on that information. I have already provided an example of how that could work in the general case of a rearranged queue, but maybe it's better if I am more concrete. Let's say I have a small library containing only two albums: Album1, which contains tracks A, B and C, and Album2, which contains tracks X, Y and Z. I go to the library view, click on Albums and choose the first one in the list, Album1. There I press on track A. Then A plays immediately while B and C are added to the queue, it is now [A, B, C]. Say I reach the end of the list. The next category would be Album2. I press >>>, advancing to the next album, the queue is now [X, Y, Z]. Suppose I'm playing Album1 but now I want to also listen to X from Album2. I enqueue X and maybe also move the tracks a bit to obtain a new queue [A, C, X, B]. But I have still chosen the "Albums" category, and A, B, C belong to Album1, and X belongs to Album2. So why shouldn't I be able to advance to the next category? In this case, I'd first advance to X (skipping C because it is in the same category as the currently playing track A), then back to Album1, track B. Clicking >>> now once more would again set my queue to [X, Y, Z], because Album2 is the next category after Album1 to which track B belongs. Alternatively, you could make all category functions ignore queued items altogether, so in the example above you'd immediately jump from [A, C, X, B] to [X, Y, Z] upon pressing >>>, because you originally started playback at Album1. This second approach would make it work the same way as PA does right now, although maybe you'd need some sort of visual indicator in the queue view that X has been manually added and will therefore be ignored when using category playback options.

@andrewilley No, it does not have to be meaningless, even when you're operating with a queue. And I have literally just explained in detail why... What I am suggesting is the best of both worlds.

@andrewilley A normal queue is one that is found in most music players. Think Spotify, Soundcloud, GoneMad, the aforementioned MusicBee, FooBar, etc. They all do it fairly similarly (or have an option to, although it's usually by default). There's no spec, same as how there's no official spec for what the back button should do, yet still most developers have agreed to do it in a particular way. PA disagrees. Sometimes it's good to deviate from the norm, sometimes it's bad, but either way you should think carefully whenever you do that. To me it seems like the queue wasn't thought through because again, a normal queue does everything that has been mentioned in this thread. Although what you're describing is something else. I'll try again. Clicking on an item would play it immediately (depending on your configured "List Item Click Action"), but all upcoming tracks would be added to the queue. Same goes for Play/Shuffle. You can still queue tracks (long press, then "Queue") which would insert it in the queue immediately after the current song. The upcoming tracks would be simply everything that Poweramp would normally play. The added advantage here is that you get to see the upcoming tracks and to rearrange their order to your liking. But if you do nothing, then nothing changes, it plays everything in the order you're used to. Yes, the queue would remain active permanently. But due to the above point it would not make a difference for users who prefer the old system. The shuffle categories, repeat category, advance category and other buttons would remain. The usual music player does not implement these though, so admittedly you'd need to do a bit more thinking. First assume the queue can not be rearranged – then it only acts as a (clickable) display for all upcoming tracks. There would be no need to change the way PA shuffles, repeats or plays your music, and you won't need to remove any functionality, as it's only a convenient view (it's only part of the front-end, if you will). Now assume that you can rearrange as well. Note that rearranging does not make each track's category disappear; songs will still remain within their albums and folder, and they will keep their genre and artist. So let's say you start with the following queue: [(A, B, C), {X, Y, Z}]. Here, A,B,C,X,Y,Z are individual songs, and the curly brackets and round brackets indicate that A,B,C are in a different category than X,Y,Z. Let's say I go to the queue and move song X just after A, yielding a new list [(A), {X}, (B, C), {Y, Z}]. Now A,B,C and X,Y,Z are still in their same categories, but the two categories are partially interleaved in the list. However, there's no reason to remove any of these category playback modes. In this case for example, starting at A and clicking '>>>' several times would take you to A, then X, then B, then Y. Repeating category would play A,B,C, and then A again. And so on. This way, these buttons are not affected unless you modify the queue (which should keep long-time users happy). If you do modify the queue, they still do what they say. To reiterate: If you don't modify the queue, the overall play order & behavior would remain exactly the same as it is right now. So if you're perfectly happy with how PA plays your music, only view the queue if you want to see the next songs or albums when you're shuffling. @samuelawachie It's cool that you studied CS, I did the same. But I fail to see how this is pertinent to the discussion. CS won't give you any new insights here unless we're talking about the underlying code which we are not. I'm still waiting for a concrete example of PA's queue doing something that the queue I'm suggesting can't do.

@andrewilley I argue that everything you mentioned can be done with a normal queue. I can already use it to "temporarily break away from the regular listening mode", and it would not make it in any way harder to use PA like you do right now. It'd be useful in many other ways as well, which I mentioned in one of my above replies. PA's implementation does not offer any advantage.

@MotleyG This has already been suggested multiple times in a friendlier tone, so I figured I'd try something else. I was hoping for either an explanation of why it should remain this way, or an acknowledgement that it should definitely be improved. And not even @maxmp has been able to provide either. I wasn't counting on it at all though, so no hard feelings.

@MotleyG No, what I'm suggesting is not really a disruption of anything. I have already explained why. Or maybe you can find something that PA's implementation can do unlike the queue I'm suggesting? All these vague platitudes in this thread, but I've yet to see a concrete example of how it's better in any way. Seriously, what exactly would you lose with a queue like that? At any rate, it can (and should, so as to avoid complaints from users like yourself) be made optional. And you know, if the smartphone music player experience wasn't this bad, maybe I'd use it more. But you're right, I'm not one of the twenty "power users" who like to tell people off for suggesting that the app could be improved in any way (that does not involve adding another niche feature) whatsoever. Just one of a thousand paying customers whose opinion is irrelevant.

@andrewilley Yes it's possible to do it, but you have to always queue everything in order to make use of these features. Doesn't help that the queue is harder to access than it should be. No PA is not MusicBee. Nor is it any other music player. In fact, in terms of UI it is so unique that (by this analogy), it has the pedals in a different order than every other car manufacterer.

@andrewilley I still don't understand. My music player of choice is MusicBee on the desktop and most of my listening happens on an album basis; I listen to full albums, but the order of the albums themselves may change. Thus creating a playlist or organizing your files in a specific way is not an option. In MusicBee there's a view called "Playing Tracks" or "Upcoming Tracks", which is essentially the type of queue I was describing. If you play an album or playlist, all of its tracks will appear there in a neat list. You can reorder or remove them to your liking. On the one hand if, like you say, I am reminded of some other song while listening, I can temporarily interrupt normal playback with "Queue Next", which will insert the song immediately after the current one. On the other hand, I can queue the next album as well with "Queue Last", which will append the tracks to the end of the list (In mobile players there tends to be only one of these two options, but as long as you can easily reorder queued items it's fine). If I want to play my entire library in order, I can do that as well by selecting all albums and clicking play. Then all songs will appear in the list, and again, if I want to play an album after the current one, or after the next 5 or whatever, I will use "Queue Next" then simply drag the tracks to where I want them to be. And when playing shuffled, you can actually see the resulting order of the songs and skip ahead by clicking a name in a list rather than having to press "next song" several times. You can even start by queuing arbitrary tracks without an album or playlist, although I don't do that very often. Etc. The point is that such a queue is useful regardless of your specific listening habits, and it seems to be superior to PA's queue in every way. Everything that has been mentioned in this thread I can do with a normal queue as well without any added overhead. Even if you always listen to your library in the exact same order, it's still nice to just have a view of all playing tracks.

@samuelawachie Why though? I genuinely can't think of any use case where PA's implementation of the queue would be superior to a regular one like in Spotify.

@andrewilley I really hope there will be a "feature" for the back button to behave normally. Together with the queue this is my biggest problem with the UI. But it seems that users have been asking about it for a while to no avail. Regarding the queue, it's a fairly standard feature in music apps, desktop or mobile. Poweramp's queue is harder to access (there should probably just be a button in now playing), and limited inasmuch as it only shows what has been manually queued rather than every upcoming track. There's this peeking issue in now playing I mentioned as well. I don't think having a normal queue would be detrimental to any use case simply because it just does more. Well, I guess going to previous or next track would be different as the queued items wouldn't disappear anymore as soon you exit the queue, but that can be an option as well like in GoneMAD. Even without such an option you'd be able to remove the previous manually queued tracks by editing the queue. Also, I really think there should be an option to disable (navigation) animations. I find them very distracting. @MotleyG Actually, I've been using Poweramp for a while and I do have the full version. I'm only a new user on the forum. I didn't bother to write about it before because I thought I'd get used to it, but here I am. We all know that PA has features unrelated to its UI which make it good, but that's exactly why I'm so frustrated by the UI. GoneMAD is another player I like, but it just doesn't sound as good, and I have no idea what kind of equalization wizardry Poweramp is doing behind the scenes. I wasn't able to recreate it in V4A.

Here's a non-exhaustive list of UI-related annoyances I found while using Poweramp: When using simple seekbar there's an awkward amount of space between the VTRS buttons/album art and the seekbar. The album view will not display the full album art, only a cropped version of it. I need to play one of the songs in order to see it. In the now playing view, clicking on an artist will not bring me to the artist. Clicking on the title will bring me to the album, but only if I have started the song from the album view. I can't swipe a track to queue it in library view Instead, swiping in either direction will transport me to the previous view. Why? I already have two different ways of doing this, namely the back button on the navbar, and the one on top. But it's not really the previous view either, it's the "hierarchical predecessor" or however you want to call it. And again, the back button has the same functionality. So unlike every other android app, you can not rely on the back button to actually bring you back. This is particularly annoying while I'm browsing some unrelated album and have another playing track, and I want to, say, toggle shuffling. I go to now playing and now there's no way to go back, because both the back button and swiping down will bring me to the album of the currently playing track (which, again, is already possible by clicking on the title!). Disorienting, slow, and needlessly fancy animations while browsing. When I swipe down now playing, I don't need to see how the track slides into the track list and how the album art moves away in another direction. This is the kind of thing that could wow you in a video, but not something that's actually nice to use. There's a reason why many of the most popular apps do not have this despite millions of dollars spent on UI. It's not because they lack imagination or "don't care", it's about minimizing confusion and focusing on the content rather than the animations surrounding it. What do I have queued? I don't know, peeking by swiping the album art in now playing will only show me what's next ignoring the queue. Instead, I need to press the library button in the bottom, then go to the queue (which is also approximately one button press too many for such an important function). No more queued items? Well now there is literally no way to know what's next unless you remember what was playing before the queue. Peeking will simply show "Leave Queue". Not good! When I click on the previous song button, I expect to hear the previous song, regardless if it was one that I manually queued or not. This is not what happens. As soon as I exit the queue, the prev. song button will go back to whatever was playing before the queue. Overall, using Poweramp feels like what I imagine piloting a huge container ship is like after somebody crossed the wires in the control panel. I struggle to think of another app with a UI so unintuitive. I admit - I don't play music on my smartphone each day. I can sometimes go for months without using a player. But somehow, when I open any other app, even if it's one I use far less, I never struggle as much with navigation as I do while using Poweramp. It's all a big shame because everything else about it is great. I really hope the dev(s) decide to take a look at a usual android app and realize that maybe some parts don't need much experimentation. And before anybody accuses me of trying to make PA "just like every other app" (because I've seen a lot of this under almost every post about these issues), please consider that I can strawman your arguments as well and that a red square obstructing the view, while certainly unique, is not something an android app needs.