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Support "Sort Artist" and "Sort Album Artist" tags for sorting

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iTunes supports these tags which it uses to sort Artists and Album Artists. That lets you sort an artist like "Sage Francis" by last name, under F, where he should be.

So, great to have the option to use such tags for sorting.

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Also, it would be really nice if I could sort my music in album view for example by artist and then by date, not alphabetically like it is now by default.

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Other tags iTunes and other players use exist for Title, Album, and Composer. Besides making it easy to ignore articles like “A”, “An”, and “The” it also allows for sorting by Last Name, First Name while still display First Name Last Name. Reviving this relatively old request in 2018. With all the changes in V3 coming, any chance this can be something the updated database can manage?

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Any chance the sort tags will get implemented in PAv3? It is the biggest difference of how libraries are displayed between all of the current Android media players versus iOS devices. Showing artists by last name is how I refer to see them.

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+1 This would also solve sorting for artists with non-English names that do not use "The" as an article, and sorting for Artists/Albums that have special characters in their name/title

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When we sort albums by "Album artist", many albums without album artist tag are listed at the bottom. It is better to use artist name instead of album artist if albums do not have album artist tag even when we use "Album artist" sort.

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Bumping this thread, it has been a while without any updates. Any chance these sort tags will be integrated into PA any time soon?

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+1

I would like to see that implemented as well. My collection does have these tags and it would be useful to sort non-English content that use articles other than "The", as said before by other users.

The tags for this feature would include: titlesort, albumsort, artistsort, albumartistsort

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1 hour ago, LABB said:

The tags for this feature would include: titlesort, albumsort, artistsort, albumartistsort

Sounds to me like something that could be useful. Out of interest, how would you want files without any such tags to be handled? Should they be put into an 'Unknown' group - in the same way that the Album Artists category works at the moment - or should sorting files without those tags fall back to using the ordinary Title, Artist, etc tags? I would suggest a fall-back mode would be better - to be honest, that would probably be better for Album Artists too.

Andre  

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There is also a Composer sort tag.

@andrewilley the better solution I believe is to revert to the non-sort tag in the cases where sort tags are blank. This is how iOS has been doing it since they introduced these tags a long time ago. However many other non-Apple players are now using these tags as well.

Besides the ability to ignore prefixes (i.e. The Beatles can be sorted as Beatles), it also means one can use sort tags for many other purposes. For those like myself that prefer to find artists listed under their last name, the sort tag can be Lennon, John while the actual display still shows John Lennon in the lists and now.playing screens.

Since the sort tags are used in the background and never actually displayed, they can also contain other helpful sorting tags. For example, those with multiple releases of the same album can add the year or release number in the sort tag. So Dark Side Of The Moon can easily be listed chronologically, by the release name, etc. All by your personal preference - while the alb name itself can still show only the title if that is your preference.

Even the Artist tag is helpful here. For those that have released under different names, the track can list the name on the associated release, but the SortArtist tag can include any of the names to include in searches. So John Cougar, John Cougar Mellencamp, and John Mellencamp can all be in the sort tag. Or in my OCD case - Cougar, John/Mellencamp, John Cougar/Mellencamp, John.

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On 7/10/2020 at 8:14 AM, andrewilley said:

Sounds to me like something that could be useful. Out of interest, how would you want files without any such tags to be handled? Should they be put into an 'Unknown' group - in the same way that the Album Artists category works at the moment - or should sorting files without those tags fall back to using the ordinary Title, Artist, etc tags? I would suggest a fall-back mode would be better - to be honest, that would probably be better for Album Artists too.

Andre  

If titlesort, albumsort, artistsort, albumartistsort tags do not exist, then I think it should sort by its normal tags (without sort at the end of each one).

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