hhasert Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 There is a project that allows a user to 'normalize' their headphones based on industry standard measurements, see : https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/README.md with a list of supported headphones at : https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/results/README.md Could you, like for instance the wavelet app, enable a function to load these settings based on a headphone selection to be loaded as eq settings for normalization and then allow a second eq to color the music style ? Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKis Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Let's fight for our dreams Brodha! Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mspy1 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 This is very hard to implement afaik. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Poweramp's equaliser is already parametric in terms of its internal code (that's how you can select the number of bands) and I believe Max plans to support user editing for the profile in the future. I'm not sure about importing external settings though, I think you'd need to make the adjustments to the sliders for yourself - which you can already do now of course, using the numbers provided in the AutoEQ database of 10-band EQ settings. Andre Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 Actually the parametric settings are provided online in the results section, so you can easily provide the list from https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/results/README.md which links to the parametric file like https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/results/oratory1990/harman_over-ear_2018/Sony WH-1000XM3/Sony WH-1000XM3 ParametricEQ.txt So, it should be easy to implement ;-). Secondly you need to set all parameters to make it work, so manual changes would be a step, but only sliders will not work without Q factor and specific frequency. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 As I said, if it concerns you in the meantime, you can use their provided fixed-band settings too: Andre Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 But they are sub-optimal 😉 Just an approximation versus the real deal. Hence a feature request. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The whole thing is an approximation unless you adjust every single Hz separately, and even then you might not like how it sounds. Just suggesting something to do in the meantime. Andre Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) I tried it on Neutron trial with manual settings (they have a text file with eq settings) and the result is amazing. If you look at the result for Sony WH-1000XM3 you see that the frequency/Qfactor/Gain is a very close approximation to the desired curve, much better than using fixed frequence and gain. Just see the comparison in the graph. I agree that it is questionable if a human ear would hear the delta in every music style you are listening to. Still, what is wrong with perfection 🙂 Edited December 17, 2020 by hhasert Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Oh, I almost forgot. The benefit for users would be to download the settings automatically instead of tweaking things by hand. That is the main request. If I understand you correctly by 'in the meantime' you are suggesting to include this feature in a next/future release ? Edited December 17, 2020 by hhasert Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
naevermNnD Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Yeah, I purchased Poweramp a year ago and since I've been using two different models of headphones, but both cannot be enjoyable enough without precise EQ. I've been using the graphic EQ from Poweramp until three weeks ago, when I switched to a new phone, thus making me capable of pushing further my equipment's potential. Using Neutron trial right now, and yeah, that little tweaks between really enhances the experience. I really urge the developers to implement the parametric EQ, Max had created the best audio player on Android to this day, but it can be really improved with the adjustable bandwidth/band frequency. Just a little comment I needed to communicate, never entered to this forum before and I created my account just to say this, hope I can participate a lot more in the future! Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKis Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 8:06 PM, hhasert said: Parametric Eq would be the icing on the cake! Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @maxmpI know you said before that the internal code for the EQ is parametric anyway, so implementing user access is more of an interface design issue than a technical one. So is this something that is likely to be tackled sooner (in both PA and the stand-alone EQ) or still more of a future project? It would certainly be a welcome addition to tick off on the features list for many people anyway. Andre Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmp Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Thanks for the request. It’s not hard to import such database, but data copyright/license is not clear. I will try to contact AutoEQ devs and clear this. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 (edited) Copyright is no issue. You can contact the developer on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/user/jaakkopasanen, If you like I will mail him for you. Edited December 24, 2020 by hhasert Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankajk5 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 @hhasert Bro you are genius, I was struggling to get the proper setting for my Sony WI-C200 but guess what this is superb . I just fixed manually. @maxmp please please consider this feature. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) @Pankajk5The real genius is Jaakko Pasanen who creates the settings from the measurements he collects from the labs. I will take credit for bringing things together only ;-). I was struggling like you with my sony headphones to reduce bass and get more clarity in the middle range. I even looked at the measurements and tried to adjust by hand. Based on the results I stumbled on wavelet that uses AutoEq (16 bits only) and then to the database of Jaakko. I applied them to Neutron trial and like you was blown away by the result, so much better than my manual attempts to get things straight. Hence my request to get this integrated into Poweramp so we can all benefit from the experience. You can always tweak a bit on music style or personal preference, but you need a solid base to start with. Edited December 25, 2020 by hhasert Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankajk5 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 1 hour ago, hhasert said: @Pankajk5The real genius is Jaakko Pasanen who creates the settings from the measurements he collects from the labs. I will take credit for bringing things together only ;-). I was struggling like you with my sony headphones to reduce bass and get more clarity in the middle range. I even looked at the measurements and tried to adjust by hand. Based on the results I stumbled on wavelet that uses AutoEq (16 bits only) and then to the database of Jaakko. I applied them to Neutron trial and like you was blown away by the result, so much better than my manual attempts to get things straight. Hence my request to get this integrated into Poweramp so we can all benefit from the experience. You can always tweak a bit on music style or personal preference, but you need a solid base to start with. I agree with you bro, finding the right combination was always difficult for me. Infact I was thinking my earphone is not much capable now I am thrilled after these settings. Thanks Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I got the impression that there are no copyright issues, the configurations are provided in a standardised CSV format so anyone can download and use them. Andre Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankajk5 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 @maxmp will this feature be available soon or it will take time ? Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhasert Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, andrewilley said: I got the impression that there are no copyright issues, the configurations are provided in a standardised CSV format so anyone can download and use them. Andre I am pretty sure there is no copyright on them, free to download. The Parametric files are available as text files : Preamp: -6.4 dB Filter 1: ON PK Fc 24 Hz Gain -5.7 dB Q 0.47 Filter 2: ON PK Fc 119 Hz Gain -6.5 dB Q 0.64 Filter 3: ON PK Fc 1515 Hz Gain 5.3 dB Q 1.59 Filter 4: ON PK Fc 4278 Hz Gain 4.7 dB Q 1.78 Filter 5: ON PK Fc 16206 Hz Gain 2.3 dB Q 0.72 Filter 6: ON PK Fc 547 Hz Gain -2.0 dB Q 3.27 Filter 7: ON PK Fc 805 Hz Gain -1.6 dB Q 3.89 Filter 8: ON PK Fc 2193 Hz Gain 0.5 dB Q 0.09 Filter 9: ON PK Fc 6791 Hz Gain 3.9 dB Q 5.89 Filter 10: ON PK Fc 6815 Hz Gain -2.3 dB Q 1.44 So should be easy to parse. Edited December 25, 2020 by hhasert Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotantx Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I hope this does get added. In my extremely limited testing, Poweramp EQ seems to be more consistent than wavelet, and wavelet seems to have a newish bug that causes it not to say what apps are using it. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-92923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I managed to create an app that can import an AutoEq equalizer preset for personal use. It's done in a "dirty" way and it requires root access but it works. Here's a demo: https://streamable.com/ncnsbu Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-93757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeKis Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 @Cupo That's great! but its not parametric right? Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-93765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupo Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 @JoeKis It uses the fixed band eq values. I'm unable to do the parametric eq values. Link to comment https://forum.powerampapp.com/topic/20096-add-autoeq-pre-sets-for-equalizer-to-normalize-headphones/#findComment-93768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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