tommochocolate Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 7:10 PM, blaubär said: Yes, it's in the tags, and shown in the audio info and tag info. Thanks, but I obviously misphrased my question: is there a formal way of checking whether a given file is encoded for gapless playback without using Poweramp? After all, my problem is that Poweramp won't play these tracks gaplessly, so I wouldn't expect it to acknowledge that they're gapless. On the other hand, Windows Media Player will play them gaplessly, and as far as I can tell it isn't able to do that with files that aren't encoded for gapless playback - so I want some way of checking that I can reasonably trust. EDIT: I have just done some tests and have found the following: if I rip tracks from a CD in wma format with Windows Media Player 12, they play gaplessly in Media Player but do not play gaplessly in Poweramp (and Poweramp does not say "gapless" in the audio info). I believe that these tracks are encoded for gapless playback on the grounds that they play gaplessly on Media Player and that the Wikipedia page for gapless playback says "Windows Media Audio encoded with Windows Media Player 9 can be gapless with Windows Media Player 9 and onwards". Therefore I conclude that Poweramp will not play (these) gapless wmas gaplessly. Is Poweramp really able to play gapless wmas without gaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadHead2112 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I brought this issue up. FACT: I can take the exact two same files and play them on Poweramp V2 without any stutter between tracks. The same two identical files stutter on V3. I can even downgrade to V2 to get them to work again with no stutter. Some functionality has been lost. FACT: The issue occurs with mp3 files, but not WAV on V3. Same exact tracks - WAV works; mp3 does not. FACT: The issue occurs even when I don't store them on the SD card (i.e. I use the phone's internal storage to eliminate the possibility of "very slow storages, like slow sd cards" FACT: The issue occurs in versions of V3 up to 816. FACT: Poweramp absolutely blows away the competition in all respects, so I'm staying with it. I can't even begin to describe how much better the audio quality is when I have the output set to OPENSL ES, and the stereo expansion set to 100% (note - 100% is optimal for old two-track soundboard source tapes from the 70s, such as the Grateful Dead; may need to cut it back on modern recordings). Most important FACT: I found if enable cross-fading and set the slider to the lowest # of milliseconds, the problem is almost not noticeable, so that's what I've been using as a workaround. I do notice on transitions into songs with "hard intros", such as Slipknot => Franklin's Tower, but for something like China Cat Sunflower => I Know You Rider, the transition is almost imperceptible. But it should be not be lost on us that the issue simply does not occur in in Poweramp V2. Thanks max for such a great product - I am pretty stoked with V3 now that I've discovered a workaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 12/20/2018 at 7:17 PM, maxmp said: Gapless always works - and there was no gapless options for v2 (there was silence removal option - not related to gapless). v3 has gapless smoothing which radically lowers number of possible clicks in gapless tracks. There is an issue with very slow storages, like slow sd cards (or highly fragmented, etc.). But also there is a dev build with the new gapless preload option (for slow storages). PM me if you want to test it. Thanks! Please please please help me. I've been. Using Poweramp for many many years, now with the new update my gapless tracks are nkt working. I think it's because of the slow SD card. What should I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, Roberta said: Please please please help me. I've been. Using Poweramp for many many years, now with the new update my gapless tracks are nkt working. I think it's because of the slow SD card. What should I do? You could test that theory by copying a folder of two of your gapless albums to internal memory and see if they work from there? There is also a pre-load buffer setting in PA which might help. Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boeboebaba Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I solved this problem by disabling "Parse Cue files" in the Poweramp app. That's where things seem to go wrong. If I did not have found this 'fix' I would not have bought the app. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadHead2112 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Where is the Parse Cue files setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, DeadHead2112 said: Where is the Parse Cue files setting? Settings > Library > Scanner Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmp Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 @DeadHead2112 your post is quite old, but there were more fixes for gapless tracks in builds 831+, so latest builds will fix those gapless issues for you. The fixes are based on tracks sent for testing by users, thanks to that it’s possible to polish it more and more. (The problem in ideal gapless for formats like mp3 is absence of strict standards for gapless metadata, so tracks in the wild may fail to be processed as gapless tracks by even the most recent/updated decoders. Poweramp adds own workarounds based on those (shared by users for tests) tracks.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadHead2112 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, maxmp said: @DeadHead2112 your post is quite old, but there were more fixes for gapless tracks in builds 831+, so latest builds will fix those gapless issues for you. The fixes are based on tracks sent for testing by users, thanks to that it’s possible to polish it more and more. (The problem in ideal gapless for formats like mp3 is absence of strict standards for gapless metadata, so tracks in the wild may fail to be processed as gapless tracks by even the most recent/updated decoders. Poweramp adds own workarounds based on those (shared by users for tests) tracks.) I just wanted to extend a sincere thank you. Prior to posting my question about the Cue Parse setting (a user recommended I adjust this setting to overcome gapless playback issues), I went to the Google Play Store to download what I thought was the most recent version of Poweramp, just to see if the Gap issue I was having was fixed. The latest version they had was 831, so I didn't realize there were versions up to 836 (my issue still occurs in 831). Anyway I've just downloaded 836 and my problem went away! Repeat - problem resolved!! I had been working around it by doing the minimal amount of crossfading that you can configure between tracks (along with preloading tracks the maximum amount). This masked the problem a little bit, but it was still apparent (albeit much less obtrusive). I listen to a lot of live Grateful Dead, wherein there are always a lot of contiguous musical pieces broken up into several different tracks. This makes the Gapless playback feature more important for me than probably most others. I also listen to music about 12 hours a day, so I can't overstate how pleased I was to see your suggestion in my email. I stuck with Poweramp since the release of V3, because even with my clunky workaround, it is by far the best player available. I will continue to sing its praises on the various blogs and message boards that I frequent. Thanks again for fixing this. Again, my Gapless is working Maxamp is the best! Poweramp rules the airwaves..... Andrewilley - thank you as well. You are always quick to respond with a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingog Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I just upgraded to v3 from v2 to see if the gapless issue was corrected. I have build 838 and am still getting the slight gap between songs. I have tried DeadHead's workarounds (disabling Cur Parse, Preloading tracks with maximum amount, Crossfade with minimal amount) and that helps somewhat. DeadHead, would you be able to pass along any other tips for me to completely eliminate the gapless issue? The majority of my files are WMA files. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w3wilkes Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I believe that V3 always supports gapless. I've had problems with some of my older rips that I used the Fraunhofer encoder, there's a slight gap on music that's supposed to be gapless and play gapless perfectly on my PC based music system (Logitech Music System). As I find them I rerip the CD using my now DBPoweramp which uses the LAME MP3 encoder and they play gapless perfectly on Poweramp. I think that the problem was the encoder and not Poweramp since they work fine after reripping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmp Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 @Kingog if you can reproduce the issue on pair of tracks - please share them (preferable via Poweramp itself - in list select tracks / Send / Gmail / gpmaxmpz@gmail.com) for testing. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadHead2112 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Kingog said: I just upgraded to v3 from v2 to see if the gapless issue was corrected. I have build 838 and am still getting the slight gap between songs. I have tried DeadHead's workarounds (disabling Cur Parse, Preloading tracks with maximum amount, Crossfade with minimal amount) and that helps somewhat. DeadHead, would you be able to pass along any other tips for me to completely eliminate the gapless issue? The majority of my files are WMA files. Thanks! Hi Kingog, I received a very generous proactive response from Max himself, a while after my initial report of the issue, indicating that the more recent builds have gapless fixes implemented in them. I simply upgraded from V3 build 815 to V3 build 836, and the problem disappeared completely. I say "generous" because he took the time to revisit my old issue and reach out to me. Keep in mind, however, I experienced the issue using mp3s ripped at 320 kbps, not WMA. Also keep in mind, I never experienced the issue on any V3 build when I used WAV files. The moral of the story is file format counts! I also received a notification while writing this that Max replied to you a moment ago, so maybe he has something for you! Max is the best. Poweramp is the best. DeadHead2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingog Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Thank you very much for your thoughtful replies! Max, I just sent you a couple of files via gmail. Fingers crossed! I would agree with DeadHead that Poweramp is an amazing app and that Max has done a fabulous job with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmp Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 @Kingog thanks for the files. Based on these I’ve just added support for gapless wma tracks to the next build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingog Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 That is fabulous news, Max! Thank you so much for such incredible customer service! Can't wait for the new build!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatWolf Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 So as not to make double topics I'll bump this one. Gapless not working for me on Vivo Nex 3 in any of the supposed gapless cases, tried increasing the buffer size and count, also tried that 'preload gapless track' option, nothing helps. I exported all the settings from Sony XA1 Ultra on which everything works perfectly fine. Is there anything else that can be done? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 @MeatWolf Sounds like you have tried all the obvious things. I would suggest trying with default settings (reset the Settings > Audio > Crossfade/etc to Defaults, or clear app data) as importing settings might have brought in something incorrect for your new system. Not sure if you are using SD Card, but if you are please try same files on internal memory too. Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatWolf Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, andrewilley said: reset the Settings > Audio > Crossfade/etc to Defaults Tried that, no effect unfortunately. Edit: although some gapless connections seem to work while others don't. Looks like I need to investigate it a bit further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Sounds like an issue with the files then, could you upload a couple or three test files which you feel should play gaplessly? Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatWolf Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I double checked on my Xperia and it looks like the transitions in question sound identical, apparently I'm starting to forget how my music sounds lol. So yes it was about the files indeed, false alarm, sorry for the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewilley Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Sometimes audio files contain a very short segment of silence at either the start or end, unless they have been specifically ripped and encoded for gapless playback. Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsttyler Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 12/20/2018 at 2:17 PM, maxmp said: Gapless always works - and there was no gapless options for v2 (there was silence removal option - not related to gapless). v3 has gapless smoothing which radically lowers number of possible clicks in gapless tracks. There is an issue with very slow storages, like slow sd cards (or highly fragmented, etc.). But also there is a dev build with the new gapless preload option (for slow storages). PM me if you want to test it. Thanks! Sorry I know this is an old conversation but I don't know how to personal message and I would like the Poweramp dev build with cut silence please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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